The Dirt on.. Home Inspection Red Flags (and What to Do About Them)

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Welcome, welcome to the Dirt on Real Estate,

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everyone. Great episode planned for today. We're

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gonna start off with a quick piece of real estate

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news, and then we're gonna speak with Parrish

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McBride from Your Inspection Pros. He's a certified

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home inspector here in Utah, and we get into

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some really great things that you need to know

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before you buy your home. After we talk with

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Parrish, we head out to Riverton to tour one

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of Edge Home's town homes in their Mountain Ridge

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community. Beautiful townhome, so stay tuned

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for that. Let's jump into a quick piece of news.

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So for a quick piece of real estate news here

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in Utah, crews recently broke ground and are

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laying the foundation for The Point. This is

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a new development that is coming to Draper area

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around the point of the mountain. It's gonna

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be pretty big scale. So this redevelopment project

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is going to start out with a 350 unit apartment

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complex with 45 ,000 square feet of retail commercial

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space on the first floor. And then the developers

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are really trying to innovate this area and bring

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in new technology. So one of the things that

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they're hoping to do is actually bring in air

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taxis. So think of like an Uber. for the skies,

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whether it's like a small helicopter or a big

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drone, something like that that could take you

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up to Park City or to the airport. They're talking

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about the point, this new development being one

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of the first places in Utah that could have this

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new transportation system. So obviously that

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is a few years down the road, but they have broken

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ground. They're putting in all the groundwork

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for this new development. So exciting things

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still happening here in Utah. That's it for today's

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news. Let's jump into this interview with Parrish.

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Today we are here with Parrish from Your Inspection

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Pros. He is a licensed home inspector here in

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Utah. So, so happy to have you on the show today,

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Parrish, and to get to talk to you about home

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inspections and kind of what that entails. Would

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you mind taking a minute or two just kind of

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introduce yourself and how long you've been doing

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home inspections? Sure, yeah. As you said, my

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name is Parrish McBride. I'm with Your Inspection

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Pros, our home inspection company based out of

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Salt Lake County. And we've been in business

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for about 18 years now. And we're close to doing,

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I think it's around 8 ,000 home inspections for

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the people of Utah, which has been just amazing.

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It's been an amazing journey. I've learned a

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ton in that whole process. Looking forward to

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sharing whatever knowledge I have with you today.

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Awesome. Well, thank you for the intro. And you

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said about 8 ,000 inspections. Is that right?

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That's right. That's crazy. That's a loss. You

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really know your stuff and know what you're looking

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for. At least in my mind that seems like a time.

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Yeah. Well, let's just kind of jump into our

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conversation then. So what exactly does your

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home inspection cover? What kind of stuff do

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you go through and what are you looking for in

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a home? Well, it's really important when someone

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is first buying the home that they at least get

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a general knowledge of the systems and components

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of the home. So what we try to do, and I say

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we because there's a small team. There's me,

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there's Ron and his wife Shana. Shana answers

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the phones and Ron is our other home inspector.

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We have a team so that we can make ourselves

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more available to people. But everybody on our

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team, we try to... maintain the highest level

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of service to people. That is our goal, that

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is our ambition to perform to the utmost for

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everyone. So what we try to do as a team is to

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make the home buying process, well, kind of a

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fun, exciting process. And also with that, we

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want people to become familiar with what they're

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purchasing, so that they have just a general

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knowledge of the home. Some people, when they're

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first time home buyers, they don't know what

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the panel box is for, they don't know where the

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water main shutoff valve is, they don't know

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where the gas meter is, they don't know what

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insulation is for their home. And so we... Talk

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about every aspect of the home during the home

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inspection process. So we're going to cover,

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we like to cover all the electrical. So we're

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going to cover what type of wiring you have in

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the house, whether it's Romex, ungrounded Romex

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NM type, whether it's knob and tube. We're going

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to cover what type of wiring you have in your

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house. And then how much power do you have in

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your house? And is that going to be enough for

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you and your family? Because some homes, believe

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it or not, come equipped with 60 amps. Now, for

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some people, they don't know how much is 60 amps.

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What can 60 amps do? And just to give you a rough

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estimate, it's about 50 amps is what's needed

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to power the motor for a hot tub. So most of

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your hot tubs are connected to a 50 amp breaker.

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So most of your homes, if they're around 2000

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square feet or so are going to have 100 to 125

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amps of service. So we want to make sure that

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you have adequate power for the home, that you

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have properly sized wires and breakers for whatever

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circuits they're being used for, where things

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wire correctly from the panel box to the outlets.

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So is there any open grounds, reverse polarities,

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open neutrals? So we're going to go over Where

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your panel box is if there were any issues in

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the panel box and we're gonna go over You know

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GFC eyes with your ground fault circuit interrupters

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Are they in the proper locations and and where

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are they reset sometimes? They're like an outside

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GFI Maybe reset somewhere in the house So we

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want to try to find out as best we can with it

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where that is all that information And that's

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just on the electrical side. So we're gonna go

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into all the different components. What type

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of roof shingles do you have? How long will they

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last? A lot of your homeowner's insurance, in

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order to cover the roof, there's certain criteria

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that the insurance companies need to have in

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order to insure your home and your roof shingles.

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Well, your roof shingles specifically, they'll

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insure other parts of your home, but your roof

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shingles specifically, that's kind of a... an

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area of the insurance industry that sees the

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most damage, if you will. It's exposed to the

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elements, the wind, the sun, hail, things like

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that. So they're very particular about roof shingles

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and what kind of shape they're in before they'll

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actually insure these shingles. So we want to

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make sure that the shingles were installed correctly.

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and that they have at least, most insurance companies

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require about three years of life in order to

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insure those shingles. So do you have at least

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three years of life on these shingles or are

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they gonna have to be replaced right away? And

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were they installed correctly? So there's certain

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things they look for as far as your architectural

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shingles and your three -tap shingles. Were they

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installed correctly? If they weren't installed

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correctly, they're not insurable. So we look

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at all that. So you guys really do, I mean, more

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than a deep dive into a home for a new buyer

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that's coming to look at a property. Frankly,

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they're not going to know most of the things

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that you said, especially about wiring, unless

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they are an electrician, the plumbing, what type

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of plumbing they have and everything. And that's

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why it's so important to have someone with the

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experience like you do to come and look through

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the home and give you all the information and

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then the homeowner or the buyer can come back

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and say, okay, what is this? What is this? Do

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I need to really worry about all these different

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things that are in the inspection report? Couple

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different questions for you here. Can a buyer

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come and attend the inspection with you or is

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it more normal just for them to get the inspection

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report after you're done, give you a call and

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walk through it then? That's a great question.

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The best way for this process to occur is for

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the home inspector to do the inspection without

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any interruptions, without any distractions whatsoever.

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We want all of our focus to be on the home and

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all the complexities of the home. If somebody's

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there, whether it be the seller or whether it

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be the buyer, then Obviously there's going to

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be a distraction there and 100 % of our focus

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is no longer going to be where it needs to be.

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Things are already distracting enough when you're

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doing a home inspection. And so we like to be

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able to do the home inspection with this 100

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% focus on the home as much as we can. and then

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we like to meet with the buyer afterwards. So

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we like to spend about an hour going over the

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inspection with the buyer once we're done. So

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once we've gathered all the information about

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the electrical, the plumbing, I mean, there's

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everything, right? There's all the kitchen appliances,

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there's the HVAC system, there's the siding,

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the windows, the roof, the structure of the home,

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the grading around the home, proper drainage.

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All that information we need to put into the

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report in a categorized way, in an easy flowing

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way, so that when they see this report later,

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it's the combination of the walkthrough. So we're

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going to walk through with them for about an

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hour, and then they get the report to really

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get that information. So we want to cover it

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through a walkthrough and then also with a really

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good detailed report that has tons of photos

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Easy to read and then obviously working with

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you as a real estate agent. I love it when a

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real estate agent is there because they can also

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help in Guiding a buyer through this process

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because a lot of times when I'm doing a walkthrough

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with a buyer They're spending that hour with

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them and their agents not there They're gonna

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ask well, what do we do about this? Now is that

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something that they'll typically say something

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like or they'll say is this something the seller

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has to fix? Or they'll say the seller has to

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fix this before we buy the home, right? And so

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that's kind of going outside of my domain as

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a home inspector and that's so as questions like

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that that the realtor can come in and say Well,

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every home is sold as is and I've done so many

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of these and I was a licensed realtor for like

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seven years A while ago, I no longer do that.

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This is my focus 100 % now. Every home is sold

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as is. The seller is not required to fix anything

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during the inspection process or during the home

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buying process, during the due diligence process,

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whatever you want to call it. Sellers, they can

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sell the home as is. What gives a buyer leverage

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in a home inspection process is If there's something

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like a crack in the foundation that could be

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structural in nature, let's say, let's take something

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that could potentially be pretty costly to do.

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What the home inspector does is give you leverage

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to negotiate. Obviously we want to negotiate,

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okay, well, how much is this structural issue

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in the foundation? Is that going to cost, right?

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And so you gather that information. And now the

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advantage to the home inspection is that the

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seller now has to disclose that they could sell

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it as is, but they have to disclose all the defects

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and everything that they, that they know about

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in the seller disclosure to sell her disclosures.

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How many pages are we up to now? Well, like 30.

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Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. So that's

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something that works to the benefit of the buyer.

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is the negotiation aspect. That's information

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that's very useful when, you know, we talk about

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those type of things that are outside of the

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home inspection process. It's so good to be able

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to team work with a good real estate agent so

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we can kind of together help guide the buyers

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through this process. So what's going to happen?

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How do we negotiate this? you know, what should

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we do? What can we negotiate with? And it just

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makes the whole home inspection process a lot

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more structured and a lot more, while user friendly,

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friendly to the home buyer. So they feel like

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they're collaborating with not just the home

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inspection, but with the realtors as well. Knowledge

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is definitely power in negotiation. Typically

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homes are priced according to the knowledge that

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the homeowner already has they may know that

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they need a new roof in five years and they probably

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take some money off already but knowing those

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things and like we had a house recently where

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the electrical panel was bad and they needed

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a full new one just being able to go into a house

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knowing everything is in the right or at least

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you're aware of things that need fixed is huge

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From a cost basis, what would you say are the

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biggest things that come up when you're going

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through a home that you're looking for? You kind

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of mentioned foundation. I would throw in roof,

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obviously anything structural with the foundation

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there. But what are some of those other things

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that can be the most costly when looking at a

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home? The sewer line. You know, I try to encourage

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everybody to get a sewer line inspection. Honestly,

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the only exception really would be if you have

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an HOA and the HOA covers the sewer line. And

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also if it's a new construction. And that's just

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if the HOA covers it. You can get a sewer line

00:14:48.019 --> 00:14:53.419
inspection from anywhere from $100 to $300. We

00:14:53.419 --> 00:14:56.840
charge $150 for ours, but we put a camera down

00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.720
there. We make a recording of it. If there's

00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.639
any issues, you know, then it's on, then we got

00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:06.360
a recording of it. Sewer lines are just terribly

00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:10.799
expensive. I have been to homes of people that

00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.840
ask me, you know, after they purchase the home,

00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.639
they want to know, you know, how can we remedy

00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:22.419
this? And they own it at that point. It's so

00:15:22.419 --> 00:15:25.100
unfortunate. It's so sad that, unfortunately,

00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:29.789
these guys, they had a realtor That didn't even

00:15:29.789 --> 00:15:33.809
encourage them to get a home inspection so they

00:15:33.809 --> 00:15:38.610
bought this home with a bad sewer line and They

00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:41.350
were looking at foreclosure They were looking

00:15:41.350 --> 00:15:44.009
at foreclosures because it was going to be about

00:15:44.009 --> 00:15:48.409
$20 ,000 To replace that sewer line and they

00:15:48.409 --> 00:15:51.590
didn't have it. They didn't have $20 ,000. What

00:15:51.590 --> 00:15:53.789
do you do? You have to have a sewer line you

00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:57.279
have to It's just not worth it. Unless you've

00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:00.000
got the money, you know, to have it fixed or

00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.500
unless you can get, I mean, there's other options.

00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:05.820
There might be insurance. I think some cities,

00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:09.240
counties are now offering sewer line insurance.

00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.039
Look into that. But I mean, you don't want to

00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.320
go through it. I mean, if your sewer line is

00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.000
bad and it backs up in the house, that's something

00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.600
you do not want to experience, even though it

00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.460
is covered, even though you are insured. You

00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:23.980
don't want to go through it. It's a horrible

00:16:23.980 --> 00:16:27.269
thing. That would probably be the biggest thing

00:16:27.269 --> 00:16:34.450
for me is as far as the cost of home ownership,

00:16:35.309 --> 00:16:39.070
especially if it's a home that's 20 years or

00:16:39.070 --> 00:16:40.870
older. If that sewer line's been down there for

00:16:40.870 --> 00:16:44.450
20 years or longer and you've got mature trees

00:16:44.450 --> 00:16:47.549
now, you know, if the home was under construction.

00:16:47.789 --> 00:16:51.070
You know, there could be some settling that has

00:16:51.070 --> 00:16:53.649
occurred with that sewer line. And so settling

00:16:53.649 --> 00:16:56.350
of the sewer line causes bellies, which then

00:16:56.350 --> 00:17:00.350
hold water and traps debris in those bellies.

00:17:00.350 --> 00:17:03.750
And then that's what a lot of times causes offsetting

00:17:03.750 --> 00:17:06.269
in the sewer line. And if you get an offset,

00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:09.390
then you have a high ridge on one portion of

00:17:09.390 --> 00:17:12.130
the sewer line, which is gonna block things more.

00:17:12.539 --> 00:17:14.960
So you have a belly and then a high ridge there,

00:17:15.019 --> 00:17:17.160
and that's just gonna start trapping things,

00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:19.059
and that's how things start to back up into your

00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:21.500
home. And that's how sewer lines can completely

00:17:21.500 --> 00:17:24.240
just separate and break. Like I said, we charge

00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:29.039
$150. It's so worth it just to have that peace

00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.759
of mind to know that, hey, our sewer line's actually

00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.000
in good shape. That's nothing we're gonna have

00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.220
to worry about. It's just an unknown thing. There's

00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:40.259
no way... to know what kind of shape that sewer

00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.619
line is in unless you put a camera down and take

00:17:43.619 --> 00:17:46.059
a look at it. As part of the inspection, we're

00:17:46.059 --> 00:17:50.099
going to do the best we can to see what kind

00:17:50.099 --> 00:17:53.079
of shape the foundation is in. You know, sometimes

00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.980
there's very little of the foundation that's

00:17:55.980 --> 00:17:58.460
visible. You know, we do our best to look at

00:17:58.460 --> 00:18:01.519
the stem wall. That's the outside wall surrounding

00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.180
the home. The building envelope, if you will,

00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.410
is, you know, the stem wall is in that. We want

00:18:08.410 --> 00:18:11.390
to take a look at all that, but the sewer line

00:18:11.390 --> 00:18:13.630
is something you just can't, you're not going

00:18:13.630 --> 00:18:18.170
to see it unless you do something extra. And

00:18:18.170 --> 00:18:20.670
so that's probably my biggest recommendation

00:18:20.670 --> 00:18:22.690
to people is getting a sewer line inspection.

00:18:23.609 --> 00:18:25.970
The next biggest thing, especially if the house

00:18:25.970 --> 00:18:29.049
has ever been used as a rental, would be to have

00:18:29.049 --> 00:18:31.970
a multi -drug test done. So we test for meth.

00:18:32.089 --> 00:18:35.829
fentanyl, heroin, and cocaine. We have an instant

00:18:35.829 --> 00:18:38.069
test result, so we have the results right there

00:18:38.069 --> 00:18:40.670
on the spot while we do the inspection, which

00:18:40.670 --> 00:18:43.450
is really nice. You don't have to wait for it.

00:18:43.690 --> 00:18:47.569
We use a test kit that the police department

00:18:47.569 --> 00:18:50.730
here in Utah uses when they go into a home. These

00:18:50.730 --> 00:18:52.650
test kits are so accurate, they're admissible

00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:54.410
in court. They use them in court all the time

00:18:54.410 --> 00:18:58.359
to convict people. We use that same type of test

00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.279
and we're able to get the results whether positive

00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.819
or negative for any of these types of drugs Because

00:19:04.819 --> 00:19:07.700
the decontamination of these things can be hugely

00:19:07.700 --> 00:19:10.279
expensive as well Yeah, I think that's something

00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.599
that maybe new home buyers may not know is what

00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.420
the decontamination process looks like Can you

00:19:17.420 --> 00:19:19.660
touch just really briefly on what that looks

00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:22.559
like for maybe some of the bigger ones like meth?

00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:29.319
Oh You don't want to move into a home and then

00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:34.579
find out that you have levels of meth that require

00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:39.720
decontamination. It's an invasive process. Depending

00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.539
on what the levels are, you could be talking

00:19:43.539 --> 00:19:46.539
about the removal of sheetrock. At a minimum,

00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:50.859
all your carpeting is gone. Cleaning of the ducts,

00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.559
it's nothing you want to go through after you

00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.509
take ownership of a home. the costs can vary.

00:19:57.869 --> 00:20:00.109
If they just, if you don't have any carpet and

00:20:00.109 --> 00:20:02.730
they just have, you know, laminate flooring or

00:20:02.730 --> 00:20:06.230
hardwood flooring, then they can just treat the

00:20:06.230 --> 00:20:09.470
floors, the walls, the ducts. If it's kind of

00:20:09.470 --> 00:20:11.829
minimum levels, they can just treat it. I mean,

00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:13.450
but at a minimum we're looking at probably two,

00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.890
$3 ,000 just for that. What do you guys charge

00:20:16.890 --> 00:20:20.950
to do the test? 150. 150 for that one as well.

00:20:21.430 --> 00:20:27.849
$150 now versus... Minimum to $3 ,000. Very base

00:20:27.849 --> 00:20:31.170
minimum. Definitely a no -brainer. You think

00:20:31.170 --> 00:20:34.069
about, yeah, it's a no -brainer. When you consider

00:20:34.069 --> 00:20:37.750
the cost of the alternative to having your home

00:20:37.750 --> 00:20:41.049
decontaminated or having to replace the sewer

00:20:41.049 --> 00:20:44.470
line, the highest price I've heard for replacing

00:20:44.470 --> 00:20:47.990
a sewer line so far was a home we inspected in

00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:51.890
Magna. They did a sewer line inspection and we

00:20:51.890 --> 00:20:54.849
found that the sewer line was just just broke

00:20:54.849 --> 00:20:58.950
as we went went into water But they had a plumber

00:20:58.950 --> 00:21:02.009
go out there and they quoted him. I don't know

00:21:02.009 --> 00:21:06.349
why But it was double what you would usually

00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:09.930
hear it was forty five thousand dollars what

00:21:09.930 --> 00:21:16.029
they got quoted forty five thousand dollars I

00:21:16.029 --> 00:21:20.299
mean and that's That's the cost that most total

00:21:20.299 --> 00:21:22.039
homeowners are not going to be able to absorb.

00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.240
You know, they're just not going to be able to

00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:28.420
absorb that. $150 for sewer line inspection versus

00:21:28.420 --> 00:21:31.779
potentially, you know, usually the cost of these

00:21:31.779 --> 00:21:36.279
are around $20 ,000. So anywhere from $20 ,000

00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:38.039
on up. somewhere on in there. If you can get

00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.900
it less than 20 ,000, you're usually getting

00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:42.740
a pretty good deal. I've heard some people pay

00:21:42.740 --> 00:21:45.920
10 ,000. I think the lowest price I ever heard

00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.339
was like 8 ,000 to replace the sewer line, which

00:21:48.339 --> 00:21:51.240
was insane. Most people are not going to get

00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.980
those kinds of prices. If you have to replace

00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:57.619
the air conditioning unit, if it's, you know,

00:21:57.619 --> 00:22:01.640
we go over the average lifetime for these things.

00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.009
So we're able to tell you. Hey, this thing is

00:22:05.009 --> 00:22:07.910
on the, you know, it's, I'll tell you, for example,

00:22:07.990 --> 00:22:10.230
the air conditioner is 15 to 20 years. If you

00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:13.509
got an air conditioner that's 20 years old, you

00:22:13.509 --> 00:22:15.430
can anticipate having to replace that thing.

00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:18.190
Really, at any time, it is what it is. And we

00:22:18.190 --> 00:22:20.369
do temperature rise tests. We test the performance

00:22:20.369 --> 00:22:22.549
of that air conditioner. There's no way to know

00:22:22.549 --> 00:22:24.829
how much longer that thing's actually gonna last.

00:22:25.430 --> 00:22:27.190
And so, to replace an air conditioner, you're

00:22:27.190 --> 00:22:31.509
at $7 ,000, $8 ,000, depending on the size of

00:22:31.509 --> 00:22:34.069
the unit. Yeah, when you look at the cost of

00:22:34.069 --> 00:22:35.950
what you're paying for a home inspection plus

00:22:35.950 --> 00:22:38.750
a sewer line inspection plus a meth test, I mean,

00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:43.049
you'd be at, you know, maybe 700 bucks or something

00:22:43.049 --> 00:22:48.190
versus the cost of any of those things that we're

00:22:48.190 --> 00:22:51.690
actually inspecting. It is truly a no brainer.

00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:55.789
Yeah, absolutely Well, and if we find out that

00:22:55.789 --> 00:22:58.450
there are problems with any of those things or

00:22:58.450 --> 00:23:01.950
the ACs at the end of the lifespan We can negotiate

00:23:01.950 --> 00:23:05.250
that into the price of the home Typically, I

00:23:05.250 --> 00:23:09.170
mean obviously It is priced as is but typically

00:23:09.170 --> 00:23:12.250
we we are able to negotiate it further with with

00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:15.789
that new knowledge Are you guys able to see signs

00:23:15.789 --> 00:23:19.609
of like water damage or mold or any of that kind

00:23:19.609 --> 00:23:24.519
of things? Yeah, yeah, I mean if It's visible,

00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:26.799
you know if it's not being hidden, you know,

00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.319
you did get a well -occupied home People have

00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:34.220
stuff sofas and other things that are you know

00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:37.160
in front of the in front of walls And people

00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.740
hide things they'll stack up things. So if it's

00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:44.839
visible Yeah, we do we do our utmost to look

00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.339
for any of those type of issues We run water

00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:49.640
through the drain lines for example and we like

00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.480
to run water through the drain lines for about

00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.940
10 to 15 minutes and then we use an infrared

00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:57.259
camera and we scan the sheetrock of the ceilings

00:23:57.259 --> 00:24:00.619
and the walls because When water absorbs into

00:24:00.619 --> 00:24:03.740
sheetrock, you can see it really really well

00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:08.019
with an infrared camera. It just pops out. Yeah

00:24:08.019 --> 00:24:10.640
Would not have thought that that is really cool

00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:13.509
Yeah, yeah, so we'd like to really run water

00:24:13.509 --> 00:24:15.930
through those drain lines, typically more than

00:24:15.930 --> 00:24:17.849
you would if you were living in the home, because

00:24:17.849 --> 00:24:21.809
we'll run things simultaneously. And we just

00:24:21.809 --> 00:24:25.170
let it rip, you know, for 15 minutes or so, just

00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:27.289
let it rip, let everything just run. And then

00:24:27.289 --> 00:24:29.750
we just scan everything under the sinks, scan

00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:32.529
the sheetrock, where, you know, that's concealing

00:24:32.529 --> 00:24:35.519
all those drain lines. And if there is a leak

00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.480
and that water is soaking into that sheetrock,

00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.440
we will find it with an infrared camera. And

00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.019
if there is that moisture, we're going to know

00:24:42.019 --> 00:24:44.380
that there's potentially water damage to that

00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:46.700
sheetrock and potentially mold there as well.

00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:50.640
So what about some other safety hazards like

00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:55.079
radon or asbestos? What are the tests for those

00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.480
things to look out for? So Radon, we do a free

00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.779
Radon test with all of our inspections. It's

00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:03.000
just something we include while we're there.

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.380
It's not a 48 -hour test. It's just a test while

00:25:05.380 --> 00:25:10.460
we're there. I've been criticized by unknowing

00:25:10.460 --> 00:25:13.019
people saying, well, you have to do a 48 -hour

00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:17.039
test. No, you don't. That is the biggest myth

00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:19.180
that's out there is you have to do a 48 -hour

00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:21.859
test. You don't. The only ones that have to do

00:25:21.859 --> 00:25:25.359
48 -hour tests are the people that are mitigating

00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:28.900
for Radon. Those are the only ones. There are

00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:31.500
certain standards of practice that these radon

00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:34.079
installation companies need to adhere to, and

00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.640
one of them is doing a 48 -hour test before the

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.559
installation of a mitigation system and after

00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.660
the installation of a mitigation system. But

00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:46.539
that's it. Everybody else, we can test however

00:25:46.539 --> 00:25:49.180
long we want. You can do annual long tests. You

00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:51.059
can plug these things in your home and your outlet,

00:25:51.339 --> 00:25:54.200
and you test for a whole year. These monitors

00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.500
we'll start picking up radon typically after

00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.859
about 10 minutes. So we leave it there for a

00:26:00.859 --> 00:26:04.299
couple hours and it just gives everyone some

00:26:04.299 --> 00:26:06.640
knowledge about what the levels are at that time.

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:10.859
That information is certainly better than not

00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:14.220
doing a test. Basically the criteria is when

00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.700
we're testing, if it's around a 4 .0, so the

00:26:16.700 --> 00:26:19.319
threshold for installing a mitigation system

00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.819
is a 4 .0. So if we're around there when we test,

00:26:23.539 --> 00:26:26.180
It's like, hey, guess what? You could potentially

00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:28.259
be needing, more than likely, you're gonna need

00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:31.500
a mitigation system. The 48 -hour test, it's

00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.200
probably not gonna change much. We've done a

00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.619
bunch of side -by -side tests, and with 48 hours

00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:40.579
in the two, three -hour tests we'll do, and there

00:26:40.579 --> 00:26:43.680
isn't a huge swing. If the weather remains pretty

00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.599
constant, there isn't a huge swing. Once in a

00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.339
while, I think we've got a point swing. Usually,

00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.410
it doesn't swing that much. Usually. Radon is

00:26:52.410 --> 00:26:56.250
kind of unpredictable. It's, you know. From my

00:26:56.250 --> 00:26:59.650
understanding, and maybe this is a good explanation.

00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:01.970
Well, hopefully we'll see. For people that don't

00:27:01.970 --> 00:27:04.930
know what radon is or where it comes from, from

00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:07.670
rocky soil, it's a gas that leaks up through

00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:10.829
the ground through the earth, correct? Well,

00:27:11.009 --> 00:27:14.170
more specifically, it's from uranium that we

00:27:14.170 --> 00:27:18.289
have in our soil and radium. So those two minerals,

00:27:18.769 --> 00:27:22.769
radium and uranium. It's the breakdown of those

00:27:22.769 --> 00:27:26.890
things that that you know that causes radon Radon

00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:30.549
is actually an inert gas. So radon doesn't itself

00:27:30.549 --> 00:27:34.170
is inert It doesn't harm you if the problem is

00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:37.089
after about three days radon decays or breaks

00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:41.130
down into radiation So when radon becomes trapped

00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:44.509
in a home in a basement or whatever That's where

00:27:44.509 --> 00:27:46.589
it becomes problematic if you get levels that

00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:49.690
are too high in there. It needs to be delivered

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:52.990
outside But radon itself, as an air gas, is completely

00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:55.089
harmless. That's why when you're walking outside

00:27:55.089 --> 00:27:57.650
or breathing the air outside, you're breathing

00:27:57.650 --> 00:28:01.710
radon gas all the time. It is all around us all

00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:05.349
the time. And the mitigation systems for radon

00:28:05.349 --> 00:28:08.509
aren't too terribly expensive. I think they're

00:28:08.509 --> 00:28:10.650
around $1 ,500. Is that about right? Exactly

00:28:10.650 --> 00:28:14.609
right. Yep. And they go in pretty easy. And then

00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:16.849
you don't have to worry about it for years and

00:28:16.849 --> 00:28:19.140
years and years. They usually have a 10 year

00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:21.680
warranty on the fans. So there's an inducer family

00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.839
install and they usually come with about a 10

00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.220
year warranty. What about asbestos? We had two

00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:29.779
houses right across the street from us recently

00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:34.279
that had asbestos and they, you know, covered

00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.059
all the windows, all the doors, had to get rid

00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:38.599
of it all. They're actually tearing the buildings

00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.019
down, which is why they have to get out. But

00:28:41.019 --> 00:28:42.819
is that something that you're able to report

00:28:42.819 --> 00:28:47.680
on in your inspections? Yeah. Yeah, we recognize

00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:52.839
asbestos as siding. We can recognize it as, so

00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.839
they used it as tape around the ducting. You've

00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.079
got an older home and you see a white kind of

00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.140
a material around the ducting in a home, that's

00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:06.460
asbestos. Nine inch tiles, some of the tile floors

00:29:06.460 --> 00:29:09.910
are asbestos, some of the siding. On homes is

00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:12.349
asbestos and the most obvious is that, you know,

00:29:12.470 --> 00:29:14.650
that texture they use, that popcorn texture they

00:29:14.650 --> 00:29:17.269
use on the ceiling. Most times that's asbestos.

00:29:17.529 --> 00:29:21.009
So we're able to tell you if it's asbestos or

00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:23.230
not. And then it becomes kind of like, okay,

00:29:23.730 --> 00:29:25.470
how much is it going to cost if we want to get

00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:28.730
rid of it? And then the mitigators, part of what

00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:31.809
they have to do as well is test it. And so they'll

00:29:31.809 --> 00:29:34.289
come in and test for it, you know, find out how

00:29:34.289 --> 00:29:38.930
much. asbestos is in this material because there's

00:29:38.930 --> 00:29:41.349
a bunch of different types of asbestos. There

00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:44.890
isn't just one type of asbestos. There's several

00:29:44.890 --> 00:29:49.890
different types and some types are more dangerous

00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:55.609
releasing the particles that can cause methicillinoma

00:29:55.609 --> 00:29:59.309
than other types of asbestos. So they'll come

00:29:59.309 --> 00:30:02.890
in and they'll test it. Utah is now requiring

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:07.140
certification. on asbestos testing and lead -based

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:09.799
paint testing. We're working on that now. They

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.059
just came out with this, and so we're working

00:30:13.059 --> 00:30:16.680
on that. It hasn't been a real priority for us

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.920
because we could just tell you if your house

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.579
has lead -based paint. The homes, you know, prior

00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.779
to basically 1986, you have a very high probability

00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:29.640
of having lead -based paint at home. I think

00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.069
they banned it in 1976, but then but they were

00:30:33.069 --> 00:30:35.289
allowed to use what they had in stock all the

00:30:35.289 --> 00:30:38.210
way up until I think 1986 or something like that.

00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:41.170
Yeah, we're able just to go over all that information

00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:44.109
with you. We can tell you during the home inspection

00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:46.809
if you have asbestos or if you have lead -based

00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:50.809
paint. And typically from there, if you want

00:30:50.809 --> 00:30:53.089
to mitigate it, and we'll go over things like,

00:30:53.089 --> 00:30:56.130
okay, what is so hazardous about lead -based

00:30:56.130 --> 00:30:58.690
paint? Because if it's just on the wall, it's

00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:02.009
not peeling, it's harmless. Same with asbestos.

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.170
If it's up on the ceiling and it's that popcorn

00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:08.549
texture, there's no harm to it at all. The problem

00:31:08.549 --> 00:31:10.789
is when you go to remove it, when you disturb

00:31:10.789 --> 00:31:13.150
it, that's when it releases the particles and

00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:16.490
stuff. Lead -based paint is only hazardous if

00:31:16.490 --> 00:31:19.150
you've got original windows and you're moving

00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:22.009
those windows, sliding them back and forth across

00:31:22.009 --> 00:31:25.029
that older paint because it creates friction

00:31:25.029 --> 00:31:29.170
and that releases You know dust particles in

00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:32.410
that lead -based paint particles into the air

00:31:32.410 --> 00:31:35.809
that you happen to be breathing. There's a department

00:31:35.809 --> 00:31:41.309
of waste management. They have information about

00:31:41.309 --> 00:31:44.549
all this on there and they're really just concerned

00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:47.490
with windows and peeling paint as far as lead

00:31:47.490 --> 00:31:50.349
-based paint goes. So if you've got the older

00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:52.470
windows, you know, they're going to have lead

00:31:52.470 --> 00:31:54.640
-based paint around them. you're gonna have to

00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.960
get that tested prior to any new installation

00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.380
of windows. So that's useful information that

00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:03.819
we could share with people, is what is your concern

00:32:03.819 --> 00:32:07.099
with lead -based paint? And that's really it.

00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.839
Is it peeling? I guess it's peeling. The appraiser

00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.200
is going to flag that. If you have any peeling

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:18.039
paint at all, basically prior to 1976, the appraiser,

00:32:18.140 --> 00:32:22.140
even if you have... a fence in the backyard that's

00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:24.000
maybe five years old and you got peeling paint,

00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.559
they're gonna have to fix all that before the

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.279
appraisal will pass it. They get pretty strict

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.460
on that stuff. Especially over the last little

00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:34.579
bit it seems like. Yep. We are kind of running

00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:36.720
out of time here and I appreciate you so much

00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.380
for coming on. We'll definitely have to have

00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:40.579
you on again because there's so much to talk

00:32:40.579 --> 00:32:44.299
about. There's a lot. There's a lot. So much.

00:32:44.539 --> 00:32:48.500
But could you leave us with just a nugget of

00:32:48.750 --> 00:32:51.269
I don't know, biggest things that you're looking

00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:53.750
for or that you would recommend buyers look for

00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:56.589
in a home that they're looking at. That's obviously

00:32:56.589 --> 00:32:59.509
going to be up to the buyer. Some people are

00:32:59.509 --> 00:33:01.609
more, you know, want to be more handy with a

00:33:01.609 --> 00:33:03.210
home. Other people don't want to have any, they

00:33:03.210 --> 00:33:05.170
don't want to do nothing with the home. There's

00:33:05.170 --> 00:33:07.589
a home for everybody, you know, and we just got

00:33:07.589 --> 00:33:09.869
to find the right buyer for the right home. You

00:33:09.869 --> 00:33:12.269
know, who are you? Is this the area you want

00:33:12.269 --> 00:33:15.740
to live in? I would say If we're not available

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:18.180
to do an inspection, just get somebody who is

00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:22.019
certified. Here's the thing about Utah, we can't

00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:24.660
be licensed as home inspectors in Utah. Like

00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:27.740
a real estate agent, they're licensed to practice

00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:30.720
real estate. Home inspectors are not licensed

00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.940
in Utah right now to practice home inspecting.

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.980
So the best thing you got is certifications.

00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:42.369
Okay, so I've held ASHE certifications and NACHI

00:33:42.369 --> 00:33:45.609
certifications, master certifications, master

00:33:45.609 --> 00:33:49.650
certified, master certified means you've done,

00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:52.609
you've had three years experience, you've performed,

00:33:52.769 --> 00:33:55.690
I think it's a minimum of 500 inspections or

00:33:55.690 --> 00:33:57.809
something. So if you get a master certified home

00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:00.430
inspector, you're probably gonna get a pretty

00:34:00.430 --> 00:34:02.809
good home inspection, I would say. I would look

00:34:02.809 --> 00:34:05.990
for a master certified home inspector, again,

00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:08.610
if we're not available to do it. you know or

00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:11.710
at least somebody that has like my our other

00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:14.670
inspector he has been he's been trained for months

00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:19.110
and months and months by me who who is a master

00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:22.630
certified home inspector and he asks me questions

00:34:22.630 --> 00:34:25.190
all the time he's doing an inspection he's asking

00:34:25.190 --> 00:34:27.329
me questions hey what would you say about this

00:34:27.329 --> 00:34:28.550
what would you say about this what would you

00:34:28.550 --> 00:34:31.190
say about this you know he's on his own so he's

00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:34.090
able to get the information he needs from somebody

00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.599
So just make sure that whoever you pick is, you

00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.099
know, at least under the guidance of an experienced,

00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:46.199
certified home inspector. And more than likely,

00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.579
you know, you'll have a pretty good experience.

00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.960
The biggest thing is inexperienced home inspectors

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.139
who don't have any guidance, they have a higher

00:34:57.139 --> 00:35:00.239
probability of freaking you out about things.

00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:04.730
I know I was once in that stage my first three

00:35:04.730 --> 00:35:10.389
four years I I erred on the side of caution and

00:35:10.389 --> 00:35:13.550
So I would just call things out all the time

00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:17.289
that that were just minor Silly things, you know

00:35:17.289 --> 00:35:22.650
because I wasn't sure Don't get anybody that's

00:35:22.650 --> 00:35:24.789
gonna that doesn't have that's just gonna be

00:35:24.789 --> 00:35:27.570
your cheapest person your cheapest people are

00:35:27.570 --> 00:35:30.579
typically those that need the experience in order

00:35:30.579 --> 00:35:32.800
to get the experience. They lower their prices.

00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:36.480
I mean, that's what I did. And you're going to

00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.900
get a lot of times what you pay for. That was

00:35:38.900 --> 00:35:42.900
great. Thank you so much. And we'll put the info

00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:46.840
for your inspection pros in the show notes so

00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.860
people can reach out to you guys and schedule

00:35:48.860 --> 00:35:51.880
if they want to. And always they can reach out

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.760
to me and I can connect them as well. So thank

00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.659
you so much, Parrish. We'll definitely have you

00:35:56.659 --> 00:35:58.940
on again in the future. But thank you for your

00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:02.300
time today. Thank you, Will. Appreciate it. Thank

00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:04.300
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00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:06.480
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